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Converting PC Video to ReplayTV

 
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 7:05 am    Post subject: Converting PC Video to ReplayTV Reply with quote

I've looked through tons of info, but my efforts to convert various PC video files to RTV files and play them on my RTV through DVA are sketchy. Some work, some won't. The instructions I'm using (linked below) are a couple of years old, but I can't find newer ones. Sorry if this has been hammered to death; I just can't find it!

Specifically, I want to be able to convert mpeg4, torrent avi, etc into files that I can watch on my Replay. Example: I love the twice a week tech download show at www.dl.tv. They offer serveral download formats, but I can't get any of them to work. Any thoughts?

Here's what I'm using: http://www.g4tv.com/screensavers/features/426/Play_Your_PCs_Video_Files_on_ReplayTV.html

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 8:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You will need to use a program to convert from MP4 to MPEG-2. There are various ones out there. On the Mac side for example, MPEG Streamclip is one that does it. On the PC Side there are similar ones.

Then, you need to run the converted MPEG-2 file through a program called RTVConvert which is part of the RTVToolkit. RTVConvert will format the file properly for the Replay and it will also create additional .ndx and .evt files that are needed by the unit. Then you import the converted file into DVArchive and away you go.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 25, 2006 11:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are many tools out there that you can use, it's a matter of personal preference. But it's hit or miss when converting, especially when working with any mpeg4 format and rtvconvert will pitch a fit if things aren't just right. I've spent hours working on files, demuxing and converting/re-encoding, re-timing to fix sync problems and sometimes it just doesn't work.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It is not "hit or miss". I have transferred hundreds of mpg, avi, wmv, svcd, etc to Replay with never a problem or sync issue. The only people who I've seen have problems are those who try to use several different "free" or shareware products to achieve the result.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adone36 wrote:
It is not "hit or miss".

Yes, it is.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

adone36 wrote:
It is not "hit or miss". I have transferred hundreds of mpg, avi, wmv, svcd, etc to Replay with never a problem or sync issue. The only people who I've seen have problems are those who try to use several different "free" or shareware products to achieve the result.


So then what products do you use that makes it not hit or miss?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 10:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Canopus Procoder is excellent, but very expensive. You can produce extremely high quality work with it.

Much cheaper and fine for the vast majority is TMPGEnc Express. In hundreds of transcodes, I have yet to have a problem.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anybody have any luck getting this to work using MVW?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 11:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheDreamer wrote:
Anybody have any luck getting this to work using MVW?

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Although I haven't used it in quite a long time, I remember being disappointed with the quality of output with MVW. Hopefully they have made improvements since then(2 yrs ago). I still prefer CCE over anything else but encoders like QuEnc and HC produce great results and they are free to boot. And, as adone36 mentioned, Procoder is very good but not cheap.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had good success using Main Concept's encoder.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I got something that worked....and boy what a convoluted process it was to find it...and do it.

I guess I won't be doing it that way ever....(until I can afford to run out and buy more software )

FWIW, it was:

- Turn PAL AVI to MPEG2 using MVW.
- Reprocess MPEG2 with Studio 8 (since Studio 8 won't process PAL).
- Then reprocess the resulting output from Studio 8 with MVW

I got Studio 8 when Pinnacle bought the company that makes my video capture unit, though the original software used to do PAL....it was how I was turning AVI files into DVDs before I got MVW. But the old software no longer works on any of my computers....probably some Microsoft patch broken it....

Then I can run rtvedit twice and rtvconvert....

rtvedit would run on the file from the first step, but rtvconvert would fail with "video overrun, unknown or bad audio mux".

But, using the result from the second step....rtvconert would fail because it didn't see the audio as correct. So the second pass with MVW....stream copying the video and only reprocessing the audio...get's it working.

Though the result is pretty poor....probably all the recompression steps...

Also for some reason....a 500MB AVI file turns into a 1.8GB MPEG2 file from MVW....and then Studio 8 turns it into a 2.7GB file....so it probably won't be something I'll be sharing with anybody.

Which was kind of the whole point of the exercise....

Considering when I watch it, I just stream the AVI file to my network DVD player directly....and later burn a DVD for my personal collection.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I haven't done a PAL in a while, but it was no problem

1) select source avi in Tmpgenc.
2) Select output: NTSC, DVD
3) Hit ok, Select MPEG file output
4) Hit encode.

60-90min

Run rtvconvert, 90 sec.

Import into DVA, watch on Replay, 60 sec.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 1:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, but I'm not in the position to be buying any more software right now.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TheDreamer wrote:
Well, I got something that worked....and boy what a convoluted process it was to find it...and do it.

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Yeah that was quite the process! Even though you weren't happy with the results it's still good exercise. I got a copy of MVW when I bought a Dazzle capture dongle and it was a clunker, even the color scheme was ugly.
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 08, 2006 8:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, my Studio 8 came after Pinnacle acquired Dazzle. The MovieStudio software that originally came with my Dazzle would convert PAL.

In fact it was my process for making DVDs....I'd use MovieStudio to conver the PAL AVI files to MPG2 and then use MPEG-VCR to turn them back into 16x9 and Nero to burn the DVDs.

When MovieStudio stopped working, I upgraded to MVW with the intent to continue the work...though I haven't actually tried it for this yet.

Meanwhile, I found a different process to run the PAL AVIs into ReplayTV files....I used the Videora XBOX360 converter to process the AVIs to MPEG2, then MVW to reencode the audio, and then rtvedit/rtvconvert to get them into DVArchive....where them stream nicely to my ReplayTV.

The result is much better than before....perhaps because the Videora is doing VBR, while the previous method was doing CBR.....to keep things under 2GB, I was using 4500kbps for the CBR method...while with VBR I use the 7Mbps similar to what medium is on the ReplayTV.

I tried matching standard, but scene transitions were pretty bad....didn't try anything else for settings....

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