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sslund
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 Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2012 10:43 pm Post subject: Replacement HD? |
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Can anyone point me to a list of compatible HDD replacements? It seems to me I saw one somewhere sometime, but I've not been able to find it.
The situation is that the HD went out in one of our RTVs back in November, IIRC. I'd planned to take care of it back then, but the first stumbling block was finding MikeyBoy no longer had the larger HD. The next stumbling block was Henry reminding me that RTVs use IDE drives & tipping me which Seagate drives would definitely work if I could find any. That's before getting to the whole image thing, which I've never done because I've always just bought drives from MikeyBoy.
I couldn't find either of the Seagate drives Henry mentioned, so I just unplugged the non-working one & we've been getting by just fine with the other four RTVs + two 3-tuner Moxis. Insane, I know, but they are all in use at least a couple of times a week.
I was at a local computer shop today trying to solve another problem without any luck when I saw they actually had 5 or 6 Seagate 500 GB PATA drives. The helpful clerk explained that PATA & IDE are the same (is that correct?), and after listening to my situation, she couldn't think of any reason the drive wouldn't work in the RTV. Of course, she'd never heard of RTVs, so . . .
I bought the drive -- if it's not something that will work, I can return it unopened for a refund.
Now that we are in baseball season <grrr>, I'm desperate to get that fifth RTV back in service since I'm now missing stuff I don't want to miss. Because I'm a nice wife, I've allowed baseball to take priority.
But, I've been unable to find a list if compatible/incompatible drives.
I did find Henry's answer to someone:
"You need to check the model number of the replacement Seagate drive. If it's a 7200.9 or higher (look at the sticker on the drive itself), then it's incompatible. Compatible drives are DB35 and SV35 IDE drives..."
So, I'm looking at the Seagate drive I pulled from the RTV, and I'm not seeing anything about 7200.9 or anything like that -- where on the drive itself should I be looking? Or, in the case of the drive I just bought, where on the box would it be? I'm not seeing 7900.x anywhere on there, either.
I tried checking the Seagate site to see if I could find out more about this drive, but it was very confusing to me.
This is what the box says:
PATA/100
500 GB
16 MB Cache
500GB 16MB Cache Internal HD
ST3500641A-RK
S/N:
PN: 9BD548-550
BTW, the drive I pulled from the unit is a ST3500830ACE.
If money wasn't an issue, I'd rip off the shrink-wrap, open the box, and try looking at the drive itself, but I really don't want to have to just eat a drive I paid too much for if it's not going to work because I don't have anything else I could throw it in.
On a quasi-related note, what the heck are people using when they need to replace drives?!
TIA,
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there are posts on this sight and avs forum. u can try the one u have and it would probly work, ive got a few different types in replays i got off ebay that are not on those lists. well if ur worried ur old type hdd is available st...ace from seagate in various sizes just put its sn into the search. the ace type is considered the best. ebay has a bunch and many other sights come up too. 1 got 6 750g seagaye ace hdds on ebay and threw that one in my computer and saving the rest for replays.--d
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hdonzis
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Well, I wrote a pretty long reply, but then I accidentally lost it, so now I'm going to enter the short version...
PATA and IDE are the same thing. I explained it fully when I typed it last time, but I'll just refer you to a Wikipedia page I found in the process: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA...
The Seagate website says that your posted model number, ST3500641A, is a 7200.9 drive, so it'd be incompatible. As you quoted from me, you need to check the sticker on the drive itself to see the actual model number and type, but it's unlikely to be anything less than a 7200.9, so it's likely incompatible...
There's a post on AVSForum about compatible drives, but it's so out of date it's hardly worth reading. Basically you want a Seagate DB35 or SV35 drive. When I last needed some drives (last year), I simply scoured the Internet for DB35 and SV35 drives. You basically want to search for either DB35, SV35 or ACE (DB35 drive suffixes), or AV (SV35 drive suffixes). For example, last February (2011), I found some SV35 drives at Parts Arcade, and they had one marked as new, so I got it. Then I found a listing last November on eBay for some new SV35 drives, so I picked up a couple of them there. The model number of those drives was ST3250820AV, which are 250GB SV35 drives. Usually I can at least find some new 160GB DB35 or SV35 drives, but I needed to find some larger capacity drives in case some of my current drives break. So, now I have a few spare 160GB drives and 250GB drives to keep things going...
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sslund
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OMG -- I'm confused! Henry, by the drive model suffix, you do mean the very end of the model info, yes?
So, for instance, the problem drive I pulled was ST3500830ACE, so the drive suffix would be ACE, which would mean it was a DB35 drive, yes? The DB35 doesn't appear in the model number?
The replacement drive (which I've since returned) was ST3500641A-RK, so the suffix would be RK (or maybe ARK), yes? And, since ARK isn't either ACE (for DB35) or AV (for SV35), that's all I needed to know to know it was incompatible?
As long as I stick with the basics (either DV35 with a ACE suffix OR SV35 with an AV suffix), do I still need to be concerned about the 7200.9 or higher being incompatible (which apparently is on the drive itself, although I don't see that on the problem drive I pulled)?
I'm sorry -- I really don't mean to be dense. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what I need to be looking for, and I didn't understand it was so complicated since I always just depended on Mikey Boy.
You are a pro at finding stuff on the Internet! I've always thought of myself at being pretty good, but when I looked back in November, I couldn't find anything. Well, I did find a bunch of SV35s & DB35s, but they were all SATA 
Thanks Again!
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| sslund wrote: | | OMG -- I'm confused! Henry, by the drive model suffix, you do mean the very end of the model info, yes? |
Yes, that's what "suffix" means...
| sslund wrote: | | So, for instance, the problem drive I pulled was ST3500830ACE, so the drive suffix would be ACE, which would mean it was a DB35 drive, yes? The DB35 doesn't appear in the model number? |
Correct. The DB35 doesn't appear in the model number, just as 7200.x doesn't appear in the model number. However, DB35 might appear on the drive sticker, just as the 7200.x sometimes appears on the drive sticker. The model number designates the properties of the drive. You can see the drive capacity and buffer size in the model number. The 'A' means that it's ATA, which now means PATA. If it was an SCE, then it would be a DB35 SATA drive...
| sslund wrote: | | The replacement drive (which I've since returned) was ST3500641A-RK, so the suffix would be RK (or maybe ARK), yes? And, since ARK isn't either ACE (for DB35) or AV (for SV35), that's all I needed to know to know it was incompatible? |
No, the RK is the way it was sold/packaged. You shouldn't find that on the drive sticker, only on the box sticker. The A is the suffix, which means it's an ATA drive. The rest is that it's a 500GB drive with a 16MB cache...
| sslund wrote: | | As long as I stick with the basics (either DV35 with a ACE suffix OR SV35 with an AV suffix), do I still need to be concerned about the 7200.9 or higher being incompatible (which apparently is on the drive itself, although I don't see that on the problem drive I pulled)? |
You meant "DB35" above. 7200.9 isn't a DB35 drive. DB35 drives started with 7200.1 and last I saw they were up to 7200.3. However, as far as I know, if it's a DB35 or an SV35 drive, it's compatible...
| sslund wrote: | | I'm sorry -- I really don't mean to be dense. I'm just trying to figure out exactly what I need to be looking for, and I didn't understand it was so complicated since I always just depended on Mikey Boy. |
Well, now you know how much trouble Mikeyboy was going to! 
| sslund wrote: | | You are a pro at finding stuff on the Internet! I've always thought of myself at being pretty good, but when I looked back in November, I couldn't find anything. Well, I did find a bunch of SV35s & DB35s, but they were all SATA |
Yeah, you have to watch the suffix for having an 'A' in it instead of an 'S'! The way I usually do the searches is to guess at what I might find. It's hard to do searches on suffixes, so you might have to do something like search for "st3250" or "st3500" to search for 250GB or 500GB drives. In eBay you can be more specific, so I can do something more like ends with "ACE' or "AV", but it doesn't always give me all the drives. The best process I've found is to get into different hard drive sites and try to see if they have a section called IDE, ATA, or PATA and start there. However, if you know the model number of drives you want to find, then you can just obviously search for those. The problem is that if you don't care, as I don't, whether it's a 7200.1, 7200.2, or 7200.3, then the model number is variable. The only constant is that it will start with ST3 followed by the capacity, and end with either ACE or AV. It could end with something like an 8 or 6 right after the capacity, depending on the cache size, which I don't care about. And, the numbers at the very end are the version, which depends completely on the revision and the capacity. For, example, a 7200.1 250GB drive might end with 14, whereas a 7200.1 500GB drive might end with 15. So, what you are basically looking for is something like "ST3??????ACE" if you want to find a DB35 drive. But, since that's hard to search on, that's where I do searches on something like "ST3250" instead, which will only show me 250GB drives...
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| hdonzis wrote: | | Yes, that's what "suffix" means... |
LOL -- I know what suffix means. I thought maybe the suffix you were referring to might be in the part number or something else that's Greek to me.
| hdonzis wrote: | | Correct. The DB35 doesn't appear in the model number, just as 7200.x doesn't appear in the model number. However, DB35 might appear on the drive sticker, just as the 7200.x sometimes appears on the drive sticker. The model number designates the properties of the drive. You can see the drive capacity and buffer size in the model number. The 'A' means that it's ATA, which now means PATA. If it was an SCE, then it would be a DB35 SATA drive... |
That's very helpful!
| sslund wrote: | | The replacement drive (which I've since returned) was ST3500641A-RK, so the suffix would be RK (or maybe ARK), yes? And, since ARK isn't either ACE (for DB35) or AV (for SV35), that's all I needed to know to know it was incompatible? |
| hdonzis wrote: | | No, the RK is the way it was sold/packaged. You shouldn't find that on the drive sticker, only on the box sticker. The A is the suffix, which means it's an ATA drive. The rest is that it's a 500GB drive with a 16MB cache... |
Ack! So, the RK suffix = "retail kit" or something like that? I can't tell you how helpful the above is -- I now have at least a little understanding of what's in a model number! Pretty cool -- I really like learning little bits of info like that I hadn't a clue about! Like my dh teaching me the other day that in baseball, overtime isn't called overtime -- it's extra innings. And that crossing home plate is counted in runs, not points.
| hdonzis wrote: | | You meant "DB35" above. 7200.9 isn't a DB35 drive. DB35 drives started with 7200.1 and last I saw they were up to 7200.3. However, as far as I know, if it's a DB35 or an SV35 drive, it's compatible... |
Yes -- that was a typo, one I seem to make a lot. Whew -- I'm glad to know that if/when I can find either a SV35 or a DB35 that's IDE/PATA, I don't have to worry about the 7200.9 or above incompatibility.
| hdonzis wrote: | | Well, now you know how much trouble Mikeyboy was going to! |
For sure! And all of this is before even getting to the "put the image on the new drive" part! Darn that Mikeyboy for abandoning me
| hdonzis wrote: | | Yeah, you have to watch the suffix for having an 'A' in it instead of an 'S'! The way I usually do the searches is to guess at what I might find. It's hard to do searches on suffixes, so you might have to do something like search for "st3250" or "st3500" to search for 250GB or 500GB drives. In eBay you can be more specific, so I can do something more like ends with "ACE' or "AV", but it doesn't always give me all the drives. The best process I've found is to get into different hard drive sites and try to see if they have a section called IDE, ATA, or PATA and start there. However, if you know the model number of drives you want to find, then you can just obviously search for those. The problem is that if you don't care, as I don't, whether it's a 7200.1, 7200.2, or 7200.3, then the model number is variable. The only constant is that it will start with ST3 followed by the capacity, and end with either ACE or AV. It could end with something like an 8 or 6 right after the capacity, depending on the cache size, which I don't care about. And, the numbers at the very end are the version, which depends completely on the revision and the capacity. For, example, a 7200.1 250GB drive might end with 14, whereas a 7200.1 500GB drive might end with 15. So, what you are basically looking for is something like "ST3??????ACE" if you want to find a DB35 drive. But, since that's hard to search on, that's where I do searches on something like "ST3250" instead, which will only show me 250GB drives... |
Very, very helpful -- thanks!
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| sslund wrote: | | Ack! So, the RK suffix = "retail kit" or something like that? I can't tell you how helpful the above is -- I now have at least a little understanding of what's in a model number! |
Yes, Retail Kit! It didn't come to me when I was writing the post, but you got it!
All of this information is straight from the Seagate website, so if you really want to understand the model numbers, I suggest you check it out...
| sslund wrote: | | Pretty cool -- I really like learning little bits of info like that I hadn't a clue about! Like my dh teaching me the other day that in baseball, overtime isn't called overtime -- it's extra innings. And that crossing home plate is counted in runs, not points. |
No comment!  ("points"? Really?) OK, so just that one comment!
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